Myths of Socialism #2
“Tax Cuts For The Rich”
Today there is yet another diatribe at Red Alert against National’s Tax Cut Package on the grounds that it is unfair. Stuart Nash is quite right, of course, the distribution of tax cuts is very unfair. But not in the way Stuart means.
“Is it fair that the top 10% of wage and salary earners get 42% of the tax cuts and the bottom 20% get 2%?”
Consider this table on tax distribution found here:
Those with better powers of observation than Stuart will note that the top 12% of taxpayers contribute 49% to the tax load while receiving 43% of the tax cut. The bottom 20% contribute a mere 1% of the tax take but receive 2% of the cut. The bottom 20% therefore get proportionally more than twice the tax break of the top 12%. Of course this translates to a tiny amount. There is only so much one can do in tax terms for people who pay so little tax. This is a simple reality of life – tax cuts are of little interest to people who pay little or no tax. However this does not stop the redoubtable Stuart from posting disingenuous examples:
“Is it fair that someone on $1,000,000 gets $1,000 a week extra in the hand per week, and someone on the median income of $28,053 gets $4.64 in the hand per week after GST?”
And:
“Is it fair that the Minister of Revenue gets a tax cut of around $140 per week in the hand whereas someone on the median wage in his electorate gets about $5?”
Actually the taxguide calculations for a minimum wage worker is example #7 here. The actual amount is $6.36 a week for a person earning $26, 520 a year, so I’m not certain where Stuart gets his figures. Nevertheless, this is not as relevant as the tax paid by the worker in the example $74.22 before the cut and $60.40 after. This means that Bill English’s tax cut is twice what the minimum wage worker in this example is paying in tax in its entirety.
So what exactly is Stuart suggesting? That the minimum wage worker should pay no tax at all? That the property owner and the business owner, neither of whom appear to be “rolling in it”, should take a bigger hit on their income because of this? That the marginal tax rate should stay at 38% just to make sure that all those trusts remain worthwhile?
Here is an idea, Stuart. How about reducing state expenditure by a sufficient amount to accommodate both the “rich persons” tax cut and the minimum wage workers zero rating? And don’t give me that “Health and education are important” drivel. I could finance zero-rating on minimum wages by the simple expedient of removing all quangos and irrelevant commissions. That is what these WOMBATs (Waste Of Money, Brains And Time) are preventing – zero taxation for the poor.
But the real myth here is not that tax cuts favour the rich (because they do – and always will). The real myth is that tax cuts give people more money. They don’t. Tax cuts take less money. This is a simple, even simplistic point. This money does not belong to the government. It is not distributing free money. This was our money all along. Yours and mine.
It is utterly ludicrous to suggest that tax cuts take money from the poor to subsidize the rich when it is manifestly obvious even to the stupidest among us that the government is still taking vastly more from the “rich” – arbitrarily everyone earning over $70,000 – than it takes from the poor. It is also clear that, not only do low-income groups contribute the least, they receive the lion’s share of the government’s largesse – both in terms of direct funding, via benefits and working for family payments, and in terms of subsidized medicine, housing and the like.
Note that this is not a criticism of low-income groups at all. Even the most right-wing flat tax and minimal welfare model would still produce similar, but less skewed results (I do not subscribe to this model). No, this is a criticism of the thought processes of people who forget exactly where tax dollars come from and who think that this money is theirs. It is not. It is still ours and no amount of legalised theft by taxation will make it otherwise.
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Sep 28 10 5:27 am
And yet the media always portray reduction in government theft as tax cuts for the rich. Those on higher wages pay far more tax, tend to run businesses, employ people, and create wealth. Thank goodness they stay rather than jump over the ditch. Where would the government get its funding then?
Sep 28 10 2:27 pm
OK, can you counter this argument which completely buggers up what you are saying.
The Scandinavian countries have much higher taxes than NZ, and subsequently are able to provide better public services, particularly in health, education and social welfare. You are unlikely to meet an ex-pat Finn, Swede or Dane. As a consequence of their centre left policies their crime rates and prison populations are far lower, life expectancy is increased. as is quality of life.
So, is NZ shooting itself in the foot by constantly having the ‘you need to look after yourself’ attitude? Arguably the battle is lost given freedom to drink yourself to death, eat yourself to death or kill the wife and kids.
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Sep 28 10 4:07 pm
Ian,
First off, the Scandis are taxing their people off incomes that are double ours by Gross National Income Per Capita (Nationmaster). There are other ways to measure income but you get the idea.
Even after they pay their taxes their take home pay is much greater than ours.
Second.. these are much more homogeneous societies of overwhelmingly European descent.. not for them the major problems of multiracial societies in NZ, US and other places. That means most are similar in culture, education etc and with less income inequality. Being wealthy they can subsidise their minorities to a much higher level.
As you’d expect, they have fewer social problems as a result.
JC
Sep 28 10 9:50 pm
You are unlikely to meet an ex-pat Finn, Swede or Dane
I’ve met all three. All three told me the same thing. Peaceful countries with low crime rates. Everyone is depressed, bored and unhappy. Suicide rate the highest in the western world.
That is why they came here.
The Swede told me something that has stuck with me. He said: “Comfort is a deadly trap”. He’s not wrong…
Sep 30 10 9:50 pm
There one way that many wealthy people not only avoid paying there fair share of tax but bludge off the system as well that the politicians are reluctant to tidy up and that is trusts. I do not see why a wealthy person should be able to stay free in a rest home where as a poor person has the state deprive there grandchildren of an inheritance.
One law should apply to all and people particularly wealthy people should not be able bludge off the state by hiding their wealth behind a trust. I doubt if the politicians will do anything as too many of them would be using trust as a shelter for a lot of things.
I wonder if Philip Fields is getting legal aid by hiding his money in a trust.