The dirty secret of the abortion industry is that a good number of babies that should be still born are born alive and killed ex utero. It’s murder either way, but killing the baby ex utero is, as far as I know, illegal everywhere in the US. Obama is in favour of ex utero infanticide.

Here’s the story of a late-term abortion where the baby was born alive:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/a-moving-story-about-a-murdered-baby-and-one-that-was-saved/

IMHO Obama is a depraved Marxist.
http://christianclassicalliberalist.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/barack-baby-killer-obama-is-bringing-back-embryonic-stem-cell-research/

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Yes, you are probably right about that sentence. I was thinking of the extremity of his actions, which no lobby group would condone, rather than his basic motivation – to stop late-term abortion.

You then appear to have back-pedalled a bit in your comments.

I prefer to call it clarifying. There are no good medical reasons for a late-term abortion as an induced delivery achieves the same thing, usually more safely. In terms of foetal abnormality, however, they may be good non-clinical reasons to actually terminate the foetus prior to delivery. I have little problem with late-term abortion for this and even approve of Tiller’s methods in this regard.

Again, I note that only 8% of the late-term abortions performed by Dr. Tiller were for foetal abnormalities, yet every single anecdotal story about his clinic is about a foetal malformation, usually a catastrophic one – including yours. This is the image that Dr. Tiller wished to portray, but the reality was that most women at his clinic had late-term abortions for the flimsiest of “mental health” reasons. It is this that I heartily disagree with.

Dr. Tiller, by all accounts, was a good doctor. He was extremely competent and clearly had a good bedside manner. He may even have been the man of “compassion and courage” he was portrayed as being.

But the fact remains that he participated in multiple medical procedures of dubious legality for reasons that were little to do with the well-being of women.

Icehawk’s testimony as to the goodness of Dr Tiller is pure cynicism masquerading as a deed of charity. Its important to understand that in these situations couples don’t make a completely selfless decision. It always weighs on their mind that to bring a suffering child into the world means that they will have to suffer as well. It’s an untold horror story of our society that many people when faced with having to suffer for others will often opt out, even to the point of getting rid of that loved one. I say have the courage to choose to love even when it hurts, and choose life.

1) That statement of yours seems obviously false. The murderer’s motives are very clearly the same as those of various anti-abortion groups. It is his choice of tactics (and his sanity) that differs, not his motives.

2) In your post you seem to be both attacking Tiller AND attacking the whole idea of late term medical abortions. You then appear to have back-pedalled a bit in your comments. Could you please clarify which of the two you are against when you say this:

“There is no good medical reason for performing a late term medical abortion. None at all. ”

To help with why I care, here’s what someone who used Dr Tiller says (ref from http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22002)

“In 1994 my wife and I found out that she was pregnant. The pregnancy was difficult and unusually uncomfortable but her doctor repeatedly told her things were fine. Sometime early in the 8th month my wife, an RN who at the time was working in an infertility clinic asked the Dr. she was working for what he thought of her discomfort. He examined her and said that he couldn’t be certain but thought that she might be having twins. We were thrilled and couldn’t wait to get a new sonogram that hopefully would confirm his thoughts. Two days later our joy was turned to unspeakable sadness when the new sonogram showed conjoined twins. Conjoined twins alone is not what was so difficult but the way they were joined meant that at best only one child would survive the surgery to separate them and the survivor would more than likely live a brief and painful life filled with surgery and organ transplants. We were advised that our options were to deliver into the world a child who’s life would be filled with horrible pain and suffering or fly out to Wichita Kansas and to terminate the pregnancy under the direction of Dr. George Tiller.

We made an informed decision to go to Kansas. One can only imagine the pain borne by a woman who happily carries a child for 8 months only to find out near the end of term that the children were not to be and that she had to make the decision to terminate the pregnancy and go against everything she had been taught to believe was right. This was what my wife had to do. Dr. Tiller is a true American hero. The nightmare of our decision and the aftermath was only made bearable by the warmth and compassion of Dr. Tiller and his remarkable staff. Dr. Tiller understood that this decision was the most difficult thing that a woman could ever decide and he took the time to educate us and guide us along with the other two couples who at the time were being forced to make the same decision after discovering that they too were carrying children impacted by horrible fetal anomalies. I could describe in great detail the procedures and the pain and suffering that everyone is subjected to in these situations. However, that is not the point of the post. We can all imagine that this is not something that we would wish on anyone. The point is that the pain and suffering were only mitigated by the compassion and competence of Dr. George Tiller and his staff. We are all diminished today for a host of reasons but most of all because a man of great compassion and courage has been lost to the world.”